Published: December 12, 2024 | Speaker: Chuck Hartman | Series: Biblical Theology 1 - The Arc of Revelation - Part 16 | Scripture: Genesis 2:8-17, 3:1-7; Romans 5:12-21
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necessary for every generation to to ponder even if they're just reading the book of Ecclesiastes but to ponder the the reality of death and the impact of death and then to look at the
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scripture and see what scripture has to say about it and I think it's very interesting that when you look at it canonically meaning when you look at what the Bible has to
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say about say about death in the progressive revelation rather than looking back through the lens of Paul's
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theology you find out that number one it doesn't say a whole lot number two what it does say isn't very encouraging and so tonight is going to leave us somewhat um not encouraged
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um except for hopefully answering the question why doesn't the scripture tell us about death early on and what I mean by that is
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theologically and what what is death as part of God's overall plan and purpose but if we look
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at the world we we know that Paul says to the Thessalonians that we are not like the pagans we are not not like those who are without hope when we talk about those who have gone before us Paul
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is saying we're we're not like those without hope but where does that hope come from and it really um is the most significant hope that a human being can
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have and that is death is not the end and yet even within Christian doctrine and Christian practice and of course funeral sermons
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there's a lot of error that is put forth as biblical Doctrine concerning what happens to us
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after we die I mean you've probably been at funerals where you know someone says well he's in a better place you that that's a fairly common one or you know he's in heaven now you know or of course
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he's got his wings now but really bad theology in in terms of death but it's it's what is so fundamentally bad about it is
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that we have grown accustomed to treating the loss of this Tabernacle this fleshly
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this fleshly Tabernacle as being an ultimate good when it is not an ultimate good the physical death that we will all
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experience if the Lord doesn't return has never been a good thing and there's no no manner of of funeral preaching funeral preaching that can make it a
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good thing and so we have to we really do need to deal with this from a canonical point of view but I do want to point
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out what we're dealing with in the world in which we live and that is a world that has a western civilization has pretty much given itself over to evolutionary philosophy and and yet this is one of
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the many weak links in evolutionary theory if we think about Evolution and
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death as two concepts there's some glaring holes in evolutionary theory uh for starters the primary
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Criterion for genetic mutation is survivability
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what about death death is kind of the ultimate not ultimate not survivability okay so if survivability is you know the passing on of these traits the first question is
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why has death continued to be a feature of the natural world but that leads to a second question or a second challenge the first
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one is just simply why death H how is it that no you know we haven't figured out as
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advanced as we've gotten in The evolutionary scheme how have we not figured out how to evolve longevity now I'm not talking about mortality we could philosophically
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reason the um uh the reality that a living creature is capable of being killed and we can argue about the genetic mutations of cancer and things
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that attack and kill no I'm not talking about mortality I'm talking about natural death the fact that every well I won't say every but most living
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organisms will reach a certain level scientists are are theorizing that the maximum that a man can live would be 140 years and by man I mean women because
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they always live longer than men but then that leads to a second um fact I think I'm not I'm not an
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expert by any means but it seems to me that the more complex the living organism the shorter the lifespan in fact the longest
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lifespans are what we would call what the evolutionists would call the simplest life simplest life forms single cell paramia um bacteria and they can live in
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in volcanoes and you know in the polar uh climate um and so it's like we're we're kind of messing up here we're evolving but as we evolve I mean we'd be
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better off if we had just stayed as paramia which I know some people choose to do but for the most part okay we have the more
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complex the lower lifespan humans are actually pretty low on the spectrum of living organisms
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now keep in mind that you know the vast majority of living organisms are are very again I don't like the word simple because there's nothing simple about life but the complexity of the the
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organisms is far less than that of a human being um so I don't think that that Evolution does us any good at all um but what evolution does from a
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Christian perspective and really from a societal perspective is that any such materialistic philosophy not only does not deal with death it really doesn't
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have to because fundamentally life is meaningless to begin with there's no meaning in Stephen Hawkings World okay there there's no meaning in
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any world that is simply random Atomic Collision um which was actually first postulated by uh democratics back in like the 4th
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Century BC who came up with the word atom um which means indivisible or indestructible um and so you know they were thinking of that in ancient Greece
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that and and the result then of course is meaningless existence so we might say what does death do well we know that it
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ends whatever life Pursuit any individual Endeavors it's an end of it it's a full stop as the British would say at the end of the sentence it's done and again
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calet in Ecclesiastes that's that's a difficult book if if you don't read it quite correctly it can be a very discouraging book but it's also a very important book because it faces reality
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and that reality is um the wise man dies just like the fool and so there what is the what is the advantage of being wise and calet seems to think there is an
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advantage but he doesn't actually tell us what that Advantage is we might paraphrase Paul you know if if we were wise for this life only we
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are of all men most to be pied and that is actually a very appropriate paraphrase because of the context of that phrase in 1 Corinthians 15 which is the resurrection
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but we're challenged in scripture with life and death and we're told for example by Moses choose life and we're told that if you do this you will live
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long and prosper um you know you will you will live live long in the land you will prosper but you're still going to
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die and in fact Solomon in the dedication of his Temple says you know what man doesn't die I mean everybody dies so there's the ultimate challenge
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that scripture presents us that liberal that liberal Scholars find that the scriptures begin
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to answer the question about death late in the cannon I would
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disagree whereas we do not have a lot lot of detail in the earlier writings like the pentat for example there is an inexorable logic
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that is being established with regard to life and life and death that demands an answer something that ultimately deals
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with this conundrum that mankind faces and that is death so the world doesn't answer it very well um Peter Burger who
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is a um 20th century philosopher and sociologist he sociologist he basically his basic thesis was that death and
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institutionalizing the response to the reality of death is what has been one of the primary functions of religion in every human every human society and and there that's I think
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inarguable because one of the things that that every human religion deals with is the the uh the treatment of the body after
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body after death and some form of um afterlife so there's this Universal recognition among mankind that death is
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not Annihilation that that our soul or our identity does not disappear now I know there are some religions in which that is the goal
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Buddhism for example is that you you reach nirvana where you lose all self-awareness again the this the the question to ask anybody who holds to
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such a view is how do you know you've arrived if you've lose all self-consciousness how do you know that you've arrived at Nirvana to say I have
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arrived is to say I which means if you can say I you haven't arrived so it's really kind of perverted and really
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satanic well the the response I would give to that as far as scratching at death itself is that for the most part Pagan religions preserve the self awareness of
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the Dead even to the point of being able to consult them through necromancy okay so that Buddhism is really a unique and and satanic uh because it attacks the very uh core of
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of human identity which is self-awareness and I don't mean that that's the only core but you know I think therefore I am I mean that there's we have a self-awareness and those
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Eastern Mystic religions that attack that are are are truly going at the very heart of it it's almost saying that God can come to a point where he is not even
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aware of himself so it I think that's one of the worst of the of the human religions just about all of the others uh Bar None have some form of continued
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self-awareness beyond the de the grave as we might say including the scripture but as we look at the scripture and we look at it canonically
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meaning we don't go from Romans 5 and read back over the r we just go with what we read as we see the progressive revelation we find that the the biblical
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message concerning death is very very discouraging and does not fill us with a great deal of hope so that's what we're going to do
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tonight okay um I suggest you load up on Donuts yes
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the answer they do provide is often the same answer provided by many Christians and that is life is spiritualized so for example the the the N the Norse the Norse
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Warrior he would go to Valhalla and every day he would get up and fight battles and every night he would drink and okay
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Islam has its idea of paradise and the ideas if you read them they're like this is perverted but the point is um even homers Odysseus you
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know you have you you have the river sticks you have the the afterlife you have an have an existence and that existence remains
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there's no there's no doctrine of annihilation in any of those religions this is just the way it's going to be so that in that they differ from Eastern from Buddhism at least
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because in Buddhism and I I don't and I want to make sure it's Buddhism because Shintoism is not like that in Shintoism the ancestors remain in fact they become objects if not of worship of at least uh
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consultation so most of the religions of the world throughout its history preserve the self-awareness and existence of the Dead which
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also um ties directly into their ferary methodology the reason that the pharaohs were mummified and placed in with all of
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the um belongings and food and money was because of the afterlife they needed these things so the afterlife in many of the Pagan religions mirrors this life
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but it does show so in a very very unrealistic way um not not a tangible way at all and
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there's there's no um this this is an important point where Pagan religion and and Old Testament perspectives are very much similar the life of the Grave is a
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significant step significant step down from this life okay there there's no sense of that's what I want right and and so the
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putting off of death has always been a major uh focus of Mankind's life the Fountain of Youth for example I know
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that's more modern but the the um the idea has been around for a very long time how do we live forever because nobody's view of the Grave is we're
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having a good time why don't you join us you know it again if you read Homer if you read the the nor Smiths if you read the Egyptian uh Book of the Dead like
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this is not life what and then when you read the Bible concerning shol is not a good place even for the righteous it's not a
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good place and so we're presented and I think it's important to recognize in the canonical sense we are not immediately given in Genesis 3 we're not immediately
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given the solution we're not immediately given the given the doctrine what we're faced with through many books of the Bible is that this isn't good this is not something that we
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long for and yet we're supposed to choose life we're supposed to choose wisdom that we might have Length of days but we still die and as the writer
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of Ecclesiastes of Ecclesiastes says the wise man's end is no different than the fool rules so what advantage is there of being wise what advantage is
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there of doing all that kohelet did in building and in in scientific Endeavor and of course in having many wives and all the things that he did his
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conclusion was vanity of Vani all is Vanity that vanity word is very similar to the toou Vu of creation the
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chaos it's more if we if we say anything about the early biblical doctrine of death or the Pagan doctrines of death the word would be
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inco it's inco it's there but it's there in a disordered shadowy realm where there is no knowledge of God nor Praise of God it's
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a realm of Silence a realm of sadness A Realm of Realm of Darkness so I I think we have to we in order to understand what God is is
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driving us with Biblical logic toward and and you know to give away the punchline the necessity of the Resurrection we need to see through what
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we have to go to get there it's almost like Jesus to the two disciples on the road to Emmas did not the Messiah have to suffer and then enter into his glory
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there is a pathway that leads to life but then we have have to Define terms what is death and what is life now often
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times um in fact more often than not those two terms are they're are they're spiritualized when a when a Believer or
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when a preacher talks about death they'll talk about separation from God when they talk about life they'll talk about Union with God or in the presence of God one thing that gets left out of
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the um Death part of it is the well it's it's really the juridical it it's the
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um the illegitimate Dominion of death that death is not simply a physical state that happens to every human being and death is not simply a a putting off of the
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body but also life is not not just spiritual in the sense that we are with the
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Lord life is with the body we talked about the the essential parts of the imod de one of which is the body the image the physical visible
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image of God in his creation and the second one was the function and that is to rule so you have Adam so if we we go back to the
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where it all starts Genesis 2 and 3 okay you you have to start where scripture starts and that is
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a creature who has a physical body which is representative it is an icon of the Creator God so he's the visible res
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representation in physical form and to this creature has been given Dominion a vice Regency that he is to rule over the
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creation that God has made and as I said last week or two weeks ago the one aspect that is not included in the list in Genesis 1 of what he is to have
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dominion over is actually mankind himself because the nature of that Dominion was not to be lording it over but he's going to have dominion over everything else the birds of the air
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fish of the sea the cattle so you start okay I'm going to put this as a different color going back to the amago
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visible image of Creator God in other words the bodily aspect of it is it is indispensable that's important because
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that is what we put aside when we experience physical death ashes to ashes dust to D dust from dust you have come to dust you shall
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return and then the function of Vice
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Regency okay now I want to spend a little time um exting the relevant passages in Genesis 2 and 3 but not getting into um you I'd love to get into the actual nature of the
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Temptation U it's in it's in the notes I want to talk about that but I don't have enough time to to get through the material in the in the lecture if we get get into that um I do want to say that I
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personally believe that the language of Genesis 3 pretty much requires that Adam was there the whole
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time that he was not someplace else in the garden as is often depicted in art and then he she goes and finds Adam and takes him an apple and no U he G she
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gave to her husband who was with her and that phrase who was with her is never means anything else than
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physical immediate presence uh and I think that's also very important because as Paul will say in Romans 5 and in in 1 Timothy I think it is 1 Timothy um that
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yes the woman was deceived but the man wasn't he went in Eyes Wide Open knew exactly what he was doing and that that's important um from a theological
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point of view not necessarily though with our Biblical definition and a Biblical um trajectory of the reality of death so I think we can do uh we can
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dispense with that okay so we have um we have the
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probation God creates the garden and he puts man in the garden and he says of any tree you may eat freely except for the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil and that is also significant but again I don't I don't have time
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to the knowledge of the tree or the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil now sadly many theologians and
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commentaries have taken the Devils taken Satan or the accusers I should say the serpents of perspective on this that God wanted his human creature
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to remain to remain ignorant you know that he he forbade the eating of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil because he didn't want want them to know that is not the case at
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all um he wanted them to know through the true means of knowing and that is Faith and Faith and obedience those are the that is the path
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a the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom so the prohibition was not a denial to man of knowing Adam already displayed his
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knowledge when he named the animals you know he was he was not a bumpkin as is so often depicted and there are actually those today who who uh vehemently defend the fall as a
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positive move in in humanity that that man uh declared his independence both of mind and of of will um and this was a
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good thing um that's pretty perverted but there's a lot of weird stuff that goes on so you have this prohibition now in the in the middle of this in Genesis
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2 you know You' think that you're going to go from the prohibition to the Temptation and fall but you but you don't and in fact you um you have
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two narratives that interrupt what I you know I don't like using that word but they seem to interrupt the flow of the Fall narrative as I said you would think it
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would go from the prohibition and then go right to the um the fall but this is what happens Genesis
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2 okay actually one of them is in front of the prohibition and then the other is after um the one that is in front well we'll talk about the one that is after and that is the creation of woman so you have the prohibition and then you have the creation of woman and that seems to
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indicate that the passing on of the prohibition was now the responsibility of Adam as Vice reason okay that that at
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the time of the prohibition itself woman was not yet formed now that is if we take it chronologically which we have no no reason not to but there's another
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interesting facet that just SS seems to be a little bit out of place and I'm going to put it in a box here and that
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is the river of Eden and then the four rivers that flow
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out have you ever notice the in congruity of that little section or has it ever occurred to you that that little section doesn't really fit the rest of the narrative I mean it may just be a
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description of the garden I don't think so but it doesn't seem to fit I think the way it fits and again this is as I said I think all of
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scripture flows out of Genesis 1 2 and 3 so if you look at the River of Eden you're going to see another one in in
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revelation 22 there's a river in the New Jerusalem and it is it is the River of Life okay so um right before the
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discussion of the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil you have this river flowing out of Eden now man has already been charged with
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the responsibility of being fruitful and multiplying and subduing the Earth and that means um that is implies that mankind will not continue
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to live in Eden that they will expand Beyond Eden and will subdue and and um rule over
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God's creation does that make sense anybody disagree with disagree with that you have four rivers that are flowing out of Eden okay now ancient um
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demographics I think will invariably show as modern ones also do from satellite imagery that the development of mankind is always along
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rivers because not only do you need fresh water you need the rivers for transportation okay so these four rivers um are quite possibly the the um the the
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motive uh motive uh nature of four ancient empires these four rivers may actually one of them of course the Euphrates is still there the
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other three have different names but I do think it's significant that in the ancient most ancient near Eastern World there were four major
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civilizations two of which uh were centered around the Euphrates and the Tigers one was of course centered on the Nile and another was centered on the
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Indus oh those four rivers are are right there I I'm not saying they're exactly the same Rivers for a flood happened in between you know and the the Earth was separated at that point as well so um
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don't get me wrong I'm not saying that that we have a Ono one connection between these four rivers but I do think it's interesting that human civilization in its earliest eras followed four major
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rivers in the ancient near East so that's maybe neither here nor there but I think the point here
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is the
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filling that's what that little passage that little narrative description of the geography of Eden I think it's indicating this is this is what you're to do but it
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also posits a an unstated question Adam has been placed as Vice Regent over God's creation we have the
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indication I think that he's going to follow or mankind is going to follow these four rivers in the initial stages of the subd doing of and filling of the
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Earth the question is with what will he go forth life or death the River of Life is the river of
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Eden the intention at least um on the surface we we we know that God's intention involves the fall of Man
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and the Redemption of man through Jesus Christ we know that his his intention his purpose purpose his plan involves that that's not what what we're talking about according to the Revelation at the
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time the intention was that Adam was to rule in the presence of God in God in righteousness and that the um the
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humanity that would come from him would be I think we could use the word
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well we're going there that's that's a very good question that I want to ask um and I'm really not sure that I can give a definitive answer from the text okay um
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I I wouldn't want to say that Adam didn't have an idea of what that meant but we're not told what it means okay and at least not in the
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well you have to deny it you will not surely die you know he but he's also the liar and the father of Lies so we have to be careful you know quote him um he's he's a
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deceiver so I think but I do think that's kind of at the core of what we're dealing with here with the prohibition and the Temptation okay and we'll get there in just a minute all right so the
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the I the idea here then there's an unspoken question life or
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death what will go forth now I can say that that's an unspoken question because Paul answers it at this point I'm going to jump to Romans 5 we don't get an answer in Genesis 3
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but we do get an answer in Romans 5 and the way Paul words things in Romans 5 so we're going to
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jump to Romans 5 verse2 and I know you're very familiar with this so I won't read the whole passage I just wan to I want to
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therefore just as through one man sin entered the world and death through sin and so death spread to All Because all sinned for until the law sin was in the
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world but sin is not imputed when there is no law nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses even over those
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who did had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam who is the type of him who was to come death
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reigned okay I personally am amazed at commentaries on commentaries on Romans that interpret that phrase death Reigns as simply meaning everybody
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died that's a really odd way of referring to the fact that everybody dies it personifies death rain is something that a ruler does right it it's a very odd thing to
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say if all you're talking about is the natural phenomenon of physical death I really don't think that's what Paul was talking about because he's going to compare it to life reigning actually
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he's going to compare it to Believers reigning in life which is a very interesting and significant shift of the um the language that Paul uses there he
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doesn't do an exact parallel he doesn't say life Reigns he says we reign in life okay but okay but reigning is a function of a
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king now clearly Paul is alluding to the first chapters of Genesis when he says that Adam fell when
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Adam sinned that's Genesis 3 and so when he talks about death reigning I think this is all part of Paul's canonical understanding of the
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scripture the Hebrew scriptures which were the scriptures of his day all right so we go to Romans
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reigned and I don't think again that it means simply that everybody died I think it means that there was a transfer of transfer of dominion at that point in the
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garden and at that point the vice Regent who was put who was commissioned by the Creator to rule in his presence in
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righteousness abdicated his role and gave it to another and that is Satan or the
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serpent now the writer of Hebrews agrees with me and I think the rest of the other places in the New Testament are significant and in uh Paul Paul refers
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to the prince of the power of the air Jesus refers to the ruler of this world I mean these These are phrases in in the in the Temptation in the wilderness when Satan offers Jesus all
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the kingdoms of the world Jesus does not say they're not yours does yours does he he says no you shall Worship the Lord your God and serve him
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only his answer was not to refute the refute the usurped but real Dominion of Satan so
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the writer of Hebrews in talking about the the Incarnation he says therefore let me see I want get it right
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okay since then the children share in Flesh and Blood he himself likewise also partook of the same that through death he might render powerless him who had the power of death that is the devil okay now we say
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well no no no God has the power of death well ultimately God is the power of everything of everything right but we might uh we might
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paraphrase some paraphrase some scripture we might even hear the deceiver saying after the debacle in the garden with Eve and Adam all authority
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has been given unto me on Earth
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completely illegitimate yes illegitimate yes um and and that's something that that we should see in the canonical presentation of death that this this is indeed power
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a very real power it is a power that is that is the devil who exercised it it is exercised through sin the wages of sin
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is death um the law will actually come into that whole that whole formula but it it's it's a very interesting concept that following the trajectory of the scripture with regard
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to death It Is by no means simply physical death and I think we're going to see that in a moment when we look at the actual uh a threat that God gives but going back to then Hebrews I'm going
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to I'm going to paraphase a few things um and again these are these are dark paraphrases but I think they serve the purpose a two-fold
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purpose of showing what was lost and showing in whom it is restored okay so we can we can say uh and I'm going to I'm going to put these
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words in Satan in his mouth uh he does does he not offer all the kingdoms of the the world to Jesus so is it is it really I I hope
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it's not Blasphemous or sacriligious to say that when Adam the vice Regent of God succumbed and and
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willingly gave over his authority to the deceiver I think it is within reason to kind of paraphrase or put those Blasphemous or those in his mouth
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Blasphemous but those words all authority has been given unto me
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Adam there's a big difference between the source of the authority in Matthew uh Matthew uh 28 and the source because the source in Matthew 28 is from Daniel 7 it's the
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Ancient of Ancient of Days the author given to Christ upon his resurrection was given by almighty God but the authority that was given to Satan was usurped from the derivative
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authority of Adam okay and I want to I want to make another paraphrase this is from John uh chapter
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men I don't think we can understand the biblical uh biblical uh teaching on death on the Resurrection on the person and work of Jesus Christ if we don't understand what was going on
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here in gen Genesis 2 and 3 that there was a transfer of authority that was willed
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willingly by God's Vice Regent Adam now I know uh we we've talked about this when we went through Genesis years ago um you know most people think that
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Adam will be in heaven I would submit to you that there's no biblical justification for that belief that Hebrews 11 starts with
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Abel doesn't start with Adam now I'm not saying anything because we don't know I'm just saying we shouldn't go beyond what is written what he did was really
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bad and even afterward you hear nothing out of his mouth the naming of Seth is by Eve and
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she refers to the promise of a seed that Adam is not there anymore we can assume that he was you know obviously lived another 900 some years so you obviously
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he was there but um I I wouldn't I wouldn't want to be in his shoe sandals I guess he gave up the farm in a big way
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but when we when we begin to see the language of Jesus reflected in negative or or you know you begin to see
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what really happened at that time so to ab's question any any
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comments his what is he what he decide oh no no no Psalm 139 makes it very clear that that the days but you know what do what do you say that he has the power of death
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I'm not saying that the writer of Hebrews is saying that him who had the power of death the devil I'm not saying that what do that
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yes right and God God gave him authority to take the Liv lives of job's children and to take the health of job but not his life nor the life of his wife so
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that you see that in in all things any Authority that we posit in in a creaturely domain is derivative from God
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and subject to his purposes is that acceptable Satan's Authority is not original and it is certainly not
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omnipotent it is derivative what I'm saying is he derived that Authority through Adam Adam is the one who gave him that Authority but but Adam also was
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derivative right he ruled in the presence of God he was a vice region he wasn't God and so even the authority that Adam then
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abdicated was a derivative Authority and yet the scripture says he has the power of death and he is the ruler of this world Jesus that that again what he says
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there in in John 13 the ruler of this world is coming and he has nothing in me what does that
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mean it means there's nothing in Jesus that necessitates that necessitates death he was completely independent of
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the one who had the power of death and therefore he was the only one who could voluntarily lay down his life and take it up again okay Satan thought he had that Authority but he was mistaken he
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had nothing in Jesus he has something in all of us that's what Romans 5 teaches he has a hook in every human being but not Jesus who was born of a woman
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conceived by the Holy Spirit and completely without sin and therefore um he could say he has nothing in me so
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again that's an illusion that's an echo not an illusion when Jesus as the ruler of this world and when we read that we ought to ask the question how did Satan come by that
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Dominion how did he become the prince of the power of the air how did he become the ruler of this world well the only way he could have
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because when we start in Genesis 1 that rule and Dominion is given to man right but when we get to the gospels and we get to um Paul we find out that
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that rule is now the devil's somewhere okay somewhere the strong man took over and that strong man needs
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to be bound okay um so let's go back now to Genesis 2
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in the day you eat dying you shall die um most of our English translations say you shall surely die I don't think that's a good rendering it's a hebraism
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kind of like holy of holies it's a repetition of the word dying dying okay so it's dying you shall die
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I mentioned a week or so ago it would be natural when we read that text we already have a preconception of what death is right and
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even if we have a fully developed or a more fully developed understanding of death we understand it's not just the cessation of physical life we understand that it is separation from God we
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understand that it's the wages of of sin we under you know we understand more about death because of the scripture but we come to that verse in Genesis 2 with all of that understanding what we need
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to do is put ourselves into Adam's sandals and say what was his understanding what did what did Adam understand when Jes when God said dying
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you shall die
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him does everybody agree that prior to the fall there was no vesage of corruption or death in Adam we all agree on that I think it's very biblical okay
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which means how would he have any concept certainly no experiential concept of what God was talking about and I think the the first answer
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and I think anything beyond this answer is is going too far going beyond that which is written but I think the first answer is it didn't matter he was prohibited from eating
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from One Tree obey see that that's the essence of faith is obedience in ignorance the secret things belong to
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God but that which is revealed is for us and for our children that we might obey so I can't say more than that and in fact I don't even have any conjectures
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as to what Adam might have thought when God said dying you shall die except to say excuse me what is this death of which you speak so glibly um okay the
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the essential point
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out but I think what he found out is also very significant but that would be the topic of a discussion of the biblical Theology of death the actual doctrine of death um but he found out what did he find out first of all he
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found out he was naked right his eyes were open and he saw that he was naked what he did not find out for another 900 plus years was the cessation of his physical
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life right so either God gave him a reprieve of which nothing is mentioned in scripture or the physical sensation of life was never the essence of death
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to begin with in fact it's not the essence of death it's the it's the now natural um dumal
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of the process of death in which we are
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yeah there's a there's a definite Echo there that the the martyrs Under The Altar and and of course um um Paul also saying Longing To Be clothed uh but the clothing was always
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the physical
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body yes yes but that would have come as I said he learned afterward what it meant but there's no biblical indication that he had any indication ahead of time what it meant he certainly had no experiential
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knowledge of what it meant and I think that in a manner of speaking is also shown in the tack that Satan took oh you
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shall not surely die and actually it was true in a very perverted in a deceptive way Adam and Eve did not surely
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die they died 900 years later okay but they did absolutely and surely die and that's what the Hebrew means
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dying you shall die okay that started the moment and I'm not even going to say what moment because that that is another theological debate is at what
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moment did was sin conceived but that's that's a different story okay so when we when we go back to the beginning to the where all of this
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started death enters through the Disobedience of one man so there is an implication here and it is only an
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implication and that is that death is the result of sin that sin being
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Disobedience okay now I say it's only an implication because it's not actually stated that way as it is in Romans 5 I'm not saying that it's not a pretty
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powerful implication I'm just saying that canonically we don't have a doctrine of sin in Genesis we we have the Advent of sin in
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Genesis but we need the light of later testimony to to see it and understand it okay so okay so comment question
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that as far as we know not to Eve certainly it disobedience